| Posted By: | Nicholas Giaever-Enger |
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| Subject: | Re: Caleb Greville, Gentleman of London |
| Post Date: | March 10, 2009 at 02:15:55 |
| Message URL: | http://genforum.genealogy.com/greville/messages/190.html |
| Forum: | Greville Family Genealogy Forum |
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Ladies and Gents, I return... Many thanks for the numerous posts in my absence. I must apologise for the late response. I have now purchased the Wills for Caleb Greville (of St. George Hanover Sq), Obadiah Grevill (note, no 'e' at the end) "Citizen and Goldsmith of London" and one Rev'd Robert Greville of Wyaston, Derbyshire. The notable details found in these documents are asf: Caleb Greville: Will written Oct 01 1802 Will executed 30th Oct 1802 and in Feb 1803 - Wife - Ffrances Greville - “... to be equally divided between my sons and daughters” (proving he had more than one of each) - “... granted to the Rev'd Robert Wingate and Joshua Wingate Clerks...” “... lawful sons of the said deceased” - - - - Here are a couple of mysteries regarding Caleb: In his will, Caleb's wife is mentioned as Ffrances/Francis and he refers to 'sons and daughters'. I have found a flock of Greville's in the England and Wales Christening Records including: William (1761), George (1762), Mary Eliz. (1764), Ester (1765) and Caleb (1769). All with parents Caleb Greville and ESTER (not Frances) and all Christened in Westminster. I have however NOT found Christening records for the Rev'd Robert or Joshua, mentioned in the will. This leads me to conclude: a) The children in the Christening records could belong to the 'wrong' Caleb *or* b) Ester died after having all those kids (understandably…) and Caleb remarried Frances prior to writing his will *or* c) Frances aka Ester If we presume option a) it seems odd he would be the wrong Caleb as; there aren't too many Caleb Greville's out there, it was common to call one of your sons after yourself (see Caleb Born 1769), the dates / ages seem to fit quite nicely (Rev'd Robert born about 1760) and Hanover Square, where they were Christened, is in Westminster. There are two other Caleb Grevilles I know of: one is above Caleb’s son (I presume), the other is Caleb Greville born 1789, son of Richard and Susanna. The above Will cannot belong to either of these Caleb’s from the younger generation as there is no way they would were old enough to have a son who is a Rev’d in 1802. Hence it is likely we have the correct will for the right Caleb. Option b) and c) seem not unlikely scenarios, however something doesn’t quite add up…. Hmmm. The thick plottens... - - - Finally to comment on whether or not Lord George could have been above Caleb's father, I also have my doubts. If Lord George was born in 1746, Caleb ‘the elder’ could earliest have been born about 17-hundred-and-sixty-something. Seeing as though Caleb's son Rev'd Robert (confirmed as his son by his will) was born about 1760, this simply does not compute. + + + + + + Obadiah Grevill: Citizen + Goldsmith of London Will written 05 Jan 1702 Will executed May 1703 - Wife - none mentioned - Brother Isaac Grevill (confirmed as married as there is mention of his wife, although not named) - Sister Damares Smith - Brother in Law Christopher Smith - 'dear and loving' daughter Mary Grevill (younger than 21 at the time of his death) I do not see any link to my line here. + + + + + + Rev'd Robert Greville: Of Wyaston, Derbyshire Will written twenty-somethingth Nov 1829 Will proved 03 Jul 1830 - Wife - Dorothy Greville So far it all makes sense... however who are the witnesses; - Isabella (can't decipher the second name) - Arthur Greville - John Greville I cannot find any Isabella, Arthur or John anywhere - neither siblings, nor children. As far as I have detected, here are some known facts from other sources: - Edwin Greville “6th son of Rev’d Rob’t Greville of Wyaston Grove, Derbyshire” (1) Ergo had minimum 6 children. - Robert Greville married Dorothy Chaloner on 12th May 1792 at St. Andrews in Durham. - Purportedly the father of Robert Kaye Greville (misc sources) - Seems to have been an amateur poet: (2) This link also refers to father as Caleb, although no idea where the author of this site has the information from… - Some reference in misc Robert Kaye Greville’s biographies stating "…seems to have been one of a junior branch of the Greville family of Brooke in Wiltshire and Beauchamp's court in Warwickshire..." (3) (1) Survey of Memorials at St Luke's Church, Dunston, http://www.duston.org.uk/mrialg.htm (2) http://198.82.142.160/spenser/AuthorRecord.php?&method=GET&recordid=1151 (3) http://rbg-web2.rbge.org.uk/bbs/Learning/Bryohistory/Bygone%20Bryologists/ROBERT%20KAYE%20GREVILLE.pdf + + + In any case, this rambling could go on forever. I am no closer to finding any truth in my grandmother’s claim that our line has descended from the Barons… I would be happy to pass on copies of the 3 Wills, if you like. No doubt your skills at deciphering the hieroglyphics are better than mine and you might get something out of it that has escaped me. Thanks again for your posts!!! Kind regards, Nicholas |
