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Re: Title Christopher Fulke-Greville, Lord Greville of Alcester
Posted by: Ralph Giles (ID *****1118) Date: August 04, 2008 at 23:14:07
In Reply to: Re: Title Christopher Fulke-Greville, Lord Greville of Alcester by Christopher Fulke Greville of 314

I believe the mentioned "Lord Greville" is actually "Lord Clonyn" & Baron Greville
coming down from 1st Baron Greville (Fulke Southwell Nugent-Grevill)also 1st Lord Clonyn.

Where do you believe they got changed to Lord Greville?
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As Lorne intimates, and to my knowledge, the "noble family of Greville" has had only the titles shown below, since Margaret Verney got the "Willoughby de Broke" tile from her brother Fulke as 6th Baroness Willoughby de broke de Jure in 1628

The titles I am aware of are (I believe they are the only ones):

Fulke Greville 1554-1628 1st Baron Brooke of Beauchamps Court 29/1/1621 (29th January 18 James 1st)
Fulke was 5th Baron Willoughby de Broke which Margaret Verney inherited on his death)

Robert Greville (c1607-1643) gained title of 2nd Baron Brooke 1628 from Fulke above.

His Son Francis (c1631 - 1658) became 3rd Baron in 1643

Francis's brother Robert (c1639-1676) became 4th Baron in 1658

Robert's son Fulke (??-1710) became became 5th Baron in 1676.

Francis, son of that Fulke should have inherited title BUT he died 11 days before Fulke so title went to (his grandson)
Francis's son Fulke (c1693-1711) and he became 6th Baron in 1710

Fulke not married so title went to brother William (c1694-1727)as 7th Baron

William's son Francis(1719-1773)acceded as 8th Baron in 1727
Francis created 7/7/1746 1st Earl Brooke of Warwick Castle.
(This Francis & his wife petitioned for title of Earl of Warwick as they proved they were both descended from previous Earls).
Francis granted 13/11/1759 title of Earl of Warwick de Brooke

George (1746-1816) son of Francis acceded to title of Earl of Warwick de Brooke 6/7/1773
Title later changed to "Earl of Warwick"

That title "Earl of Warwick has descended straight down that line to present Earl, who is a mining company director in Western Australia.

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The above shows that your ancestor, Algernon Greville (and I believe any of his descendents), did not have any of the titles held by the Greville family at any poiint of time.

So begs the original Question that Lorne was posing.
Where and when did you get the suppossed title of "Lord Greville of Alcaster".

Unless you can show that you indeed have been granted or otherwise that title, I would consider that title to not be valid.
You say it is a registered title...Where and by whom or what body is it registered?

I await you answer with great anticipation, but if I dont get a genuine response I wont be surprised.

BTW Lorne H.Greville is MALE not female.

Ralph Giles


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