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Dear Nancy
Please forgive me for getting excited but this has to be my best breakthrough yet! I can think of too many questions at the moment so will try to be restrained.
(1) I completely agree with your family listing for the children of Richard and Sarah Ann. However I have one queery over the James born 1834 who died in childhood. You see, on the wedding certificate of George Jupp and Eliza there are two witnesses listed: James Hanwell and Eleanor Louise Hanwell. As there is no Eleanor as sister I had always hoped she was the wife of James born 1834. There is a marriage of a James and an Eleanor Louise listed for Dec 1858 but I do not think I ahve got the certificate -I will check later. If however the 1834 james died young the second james would have been a little young to be married. Any thoughts?
2) I include below the 1881 census entry for George Jupp & family. You can see that Richard gives his place of birth as St Martins in Middlesex -which neatly ties in with (but is unproven) an IGI birth entry for a Richard born 1803 in St Martins.
PRO Ref RG11 Folio 90 page 12
168 Derby Buildings, St Pancras, London, Middlesex
JUPP George Head M 37 Plasterer Brighton
JUPP Emma W M 36 Wife St Pancras/MDSX
JUPP Eliza D 13 Scholar St Pancras
JUPP George S 12 Scholar St Pancras
JUPP Richard S 8 Scholar St Pancras
JUPP Horace S 7 Scholar St Pancras
JUPP Ernest S 4 Scholar St Pancras
JUPP Henry S 2 Scholar St Pancras
HANWELL Richard Father in Law W 78 ex-Plasterer St Martins/MDSX
3) Is your Freddie the Frederick H Hanwell living with wife Annie in St Pancras (Crowndale Rd) in the 1881 census? (There is a 2 yr old son Richard)
I think that is enough for the moment or this message will become too long but I look forward to hearing more from you. Perhaps you could let me know how your line decends.
Regards John
PS I knew we had Jupp descendalts in the US but never realised we had Hanwell connections, however tenuous.
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