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Re: James Larkins
Posted by: Elaine Rumler (ID *****4574) Date: April 30, 2005 at 13:09:01
In Reply to: Re: James Larkins by Rosalee Pleis of 906

We're alike in that respect, I love a good mystery too.
For clarafication, James Sr. is James married to Catherine Keiger Gerlinger (a widow) on July 3, 1783 in Lancaster, PA. James Jr. I believe is their first son born July 23, 1784.

Betty Cattrell of Kansas applied for her granddaughter Stephanie to the Daughters of the American Revolution. She traces to James Jr. and Mary Tudor. I think some of the birth dates of 1794 are estimates at best.

Betty lists the following children of James Sr.:

James Larkins Jr. b. July 23, 1784. He marries Mary Tudor February 29, 1804. She says he was born in Maryland and they were married in Maryland. Thier first child was born in Ohio. In 1850 James is in Fayette Co., Ohio and says he was born in PA and his wife in Maryland. He's 67 (cencus taken August 31, 1850) so his age also matches. Dies August 8, 1864 in McDonough Co., IL.

Betsey (Elizabeth) b. May 4, 1806 and marries Joshua Cook. This was her only information. I believe her birth date is correct because James Sr. on his Pension Schedule lists a daughter at home 14 years old. She would be his last child as he lists her as the youngest. I don't believe, therefore, that any children were born to him and Catherine after 1806 or he would have listed them as children he had at home. Betsey Cook, with her husband and children, is found in Wyandot Co., Ohio in 1850. She is 44 years old and says she was born in VA. This birthdate matches.

John (no birth date) marries a Hester. This was her only information. I found in 1850 Fayette Co., Ohio, John Larkins 47 years old. This would match the other son James Sr. mentions on his Pension Schedule. "18 years old next August 5th." August 5, 1802 would appear to be his birthdate. He also says he was born in VA. His wife's name is Mary.

Seth - She had no information on Seth. I found him in 1820 in Harrison Co., Ohio. His age 26 to 45. So his birth year would be between 1784 and 1794. When James Sr. dies in 1828 in Harrison Co., Seth is listed as executor, though I've never found a will. I believe he dies prior to 1830. 1830 Harrison Co., Ohio only lists a Sarah Larkins. In 1840 Carroll Co., Ohio there's a Mrs. Sarah Larkins. I couldn't find Seth after 1828.

William b. 1808. She is the only information she has.

Washington b. 1810 marries Martha Dillon. This is the only information she has. I found a Washington Larkins marrying a Martha Dillon in 1822 Harrison Co., Ohio. I find his birth date a question. Married at 12? I have serious doubts on this Washington. In the 1810 Somerset Co., PA cencus, I can't really fit him in the family. For the old cencus' I took your advise and am looking at the original cencus forms and not using the search and I can't find a Washington Larkins.

Thomas marries Sallie. This is her only information. This is my ancestor Thomas Calvin Larkins b. October 17, 1799. Dies in 1850. Thomas is the last of the three children James Sr. mentions in his Pension Schedule as "a son who'll be 21 on 17 October next". Also in 1850 Hancock Co., Ohio cencus, Thomas C. Larkins is 50 years old and born in VA. He marries Sarah (Sallie) Bartlett. Thomas and Sarah have a son (my ancestor) names James Washington Larkins. Is this a mix-up for Betty or did Thomas name his son James after his father and Washington after a brother? Again, I love a mystery.

Also, on a supplemental lineage in the DAR files, it says "James Larkins (Jr.) and Betsey Cook were the only surviving children of James Larkinss, Senior, in 1856.

Looks like the two mystery men are William and Washington. Couple questions for the road:

You say you're looking of prisoner of war ship records, is this James Larkins whom you believe to be William E.'s father? My James was never on a prisoner of war ship that I know of. Remember the James Larkin(no S)of the Virginia Line that was captured?

Are you looking at Henry and Jane Newton Larkins as your James parents? I believe there's a good possibility these are my James' parents. Info printed about my James' being a son of an Edward from Rhode Island are wrong. He was never from Rhode Island or Conn.

Ties to Maryland. Other than enlist in Maryland, I don't think I have ties to Maryland either. He states he enlisted there but doesn't state where he was born.

Harrison Co., Ohio. I think that if we find people all in PA or all in Ohio a good start. I haven't looked deeply into which Counties came from which, but I wouldn't let not being in Harrison Co. be a strong point. In 1820, James Sr. and Seth are in Harrison Co., James Jr. is in Fayette Co., William E. and Jeremiah Reed are in Perry Co., and John Larkins is in Ross Co.

1794 birth years. I think I've shown above the errors in the 1794 births.

Tailors. James Sr. says he was a tailor by trade unable to work due to bad eyesight. On his pension schedule, he lists a plough, cows, calves, horses, sheep and a crop of grain due in. On the 1820 cencus, it lists a column to indicate "Numbers of persons engaged in Agriculture" James Sr., James Jr, William E., and John Larkins all said yes. Seth Larkins said he was engaged in manufactures.
In 1850, James Jr., his son Samuel, John, Thomas Calvin, and Joshua Cook were all farmers. James Washington Larkins, son of Thomas Calvin was a carpenter. So I'm not sure where "known tailors" came from.

I also question Washington and Catherine Larkins. In the 1810 Sommerset Co., cencus, James Sr. has one daughter under 10 that would be Betsey (b. 1806) and another daughter 10 thru 15 indicating a girl born between 1794 and 1800. In 1820 there's only one daughter 10 to 16 which would be Betsey. The other girl has probably married or passed away. So this definately needs further checking out.

We're leaving beautiful sunny and warm Arizona tomorrow for the midwest. On our way back, we hope to get to Salt Lake City and see what we can find there. I'll be off-line for awhile, but with both of us, and many more, searching, hopefully we'll find the answers. Looks like we have good leads to follow through. Talk to you soon.
Elaine Rumler

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